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apologizing for the terrorist attack that killed three and wounded more than 260 others. he told survivors and family members, i'd like to now apologize for the victims and their o survivors. i am guilty along with my brother. i asked allah for --. victims and families listened to his statement. afterwards survivors of the bombing addressed the media. >> the last thing we wanted to hear was about allah and why he did this in the first place and changed all of our lives forever. what he said showed no remorse, no regret and no empathy for what he's done to our lives. >> he said that he was remorseful. i find that hard to believe since i've come to a lot of trial.
and never really saw that at all from him. i don't think he was genuine but that he will say otherwise and that is not going to change my impression of him or what he did to us. >> joining me is nbc's ron mott. we're hearing a lot of reactions. and henry boarguard said he was happy tsarnaev made the statement. what are you hearing from other folks and what they may think? >> reporter: i think a lot of people are going to talk about what tsarnaev didn't say. he never renounced terrorism in his apology. and his apology as you heard there started out about allah and seeking forgiveness from his god and some of the victims were obviously offended by that. but over the past two years the victims have been split really whether they a wanted to hear
from him and b whether the death penalty was the way to go here. martin richards the 8-year-old who died his parents pinned an op ed saying they thought the best course here would be to sentence him to life in prison without parole. and we just heard they made a plea offer to the government which the government turned down because it wanted to pursue the death penalty in this case. and specially here in the commonwealth of massachusetts where the death penalty is not popular at all. they haven't execute an inmate in almost 70 years. but the mix you just heard is probably what we're going to hear going forward from victims. some of them probably were offended he didn't apologize for the terrorism or explain himself why he did what he did. and then others who would say we didn't want to hear from him at all. and one of them who got up in court said he didn't want to address him or speak to him directly. most of the victims who got up
did address tsarnaev directly. usually you have to get permission to do that. judge o'toole let the victims speak to him. and everyone finish the most part kept comments in line. e didn't have to the rap them to order. and i thought one of the most poignant moments was a cop here involved in the shootout in watertown after the bombing he was shot severely injured. and he said what tsarnaev did was essentially an act of treason. we welcomed him here to the united states and he turned on all of this and he thought this should have been handleds treason. >> former mayor of bostonian. and co-host of the cycle ari melber. >> mayor flin. let me start with you. and dzhokhar tsarnaev finally
breaking silence and perhaps offering closure. >> i'm really not persuaded by what he said. i'm more influenced by what he did. and he has to pay the price. but i'll tell you what america stood tall here today. because it showed the rest of the world probably where the boston bomber and his people came from that america has a system of justice that works for all. whether you lived here all your life or just recently came here. so this is what i believe happened in this trial. america stood tall. we game a stronger nation, our system of justice worked. and our support is really for the victims and their families. their opinion in what they had to face the ordeal is what is really paramount. and that i think is reflective as the former mayor of this city who talks to many many people. my daughter was at the finish line with her four kids.
i was at the boston marathon myself. i've ran it many many times. i say justice has been served. and let the victims decide whether or not a death penalty is actually invoked in this particular case. >> scott, i want to play sound from henry boar guard whose one of the victims who took to the mic after tsarnaev made comments and sort of broke with other victims in his thinking about what tsarnaev's statement met. let's hear what he had to say. >> i was actually really happy he made the statement. i have forgiven him. i have come to a place of peace. and i genuinely hope that he does as well. and for me to hear him say that he's sorry, that is enough for me. whether we like to acknowledge it or not, his statement like ours takes courage because the entire world is watching us right now. and the fact that he made a statement, which he didn't have
do gives him a little credit in my book. >> scott, were you surprised to hear that? >> not really. from the beginning there has been a pretty wide gap in terms of the survivor or the family response to, you know the whole thing. whether or not there should be a death penalty. you have people on one side people on the other side. it doesn't surprise me at all that now you have some people saying that was genuine or i don't buy that at all. that is just the nature of this horrible tragedy. that you had three people killed that day and more than 260 wounded. so naturally you are going to have a pretty big spectrum of reaction. >> ari, i think it maybe surprised people. maybe it didn't. that jog dzhokhar tsarnaev in his statement admitted guilt. and do you think that affects the appeals process at all? >> it can. it is unlikely given the abundant evidence and multiple capital counts. but it is still unusual. this was a surprise.
this was not expected. the news room everyone was scrambling to get what he said and cover it. the u.s. attorney said it is his right. . but we didn't know he was going to do it. and to your point alex to speak directly to his guilt and to praise the jurors, they went to the window,tness stand. the strength the dignity. and the words may be very hollow but it is certainly not helpful in anyway after the capital sentencing to put out information on the record directly invoking his own guilty when a capital appeal would be to come and poke holes in what's come before. >> do you worry about the appeals process? and how it continues this moment. this trauma remains an open wound until there is the finality of possibly the death
penalty. do you worry about that? >> well i know the richard family very well. they are constituents of mine supporters of mine and i talked to them about this. you know they are really strong and courageous as the families of the other victims, the people who were hurt the people whormive who were killed. you know, i really think they have the courage, the determination to see this through, as they have during the entire period of time. and i think they should feel proud that they live in a country that justice was served and popularity was against the defendant and we're different than any other country. we don't just disregard the law. we take that's into consideration. paramount consideration. we had a great judge, judge o'toole. a great jury. and the people in the city of boston were unanimous behind the victims and the people who were killed in this tragic incident.
and boston will be stronger because of how the families have dealt with this situation. >> yes, scott, that was one thing we heard is some of the victims have tried to communicate with tsarnaev saying you have actually to the mayor's point made us stronger as a community, when your attempt was to sort of shatter our unity. your act has had the opposite effect. you are a bostonian you have written about this troumtic event for the city. what is your assessment as we stand here at this moment? >> i think that is true. these kind of acts do bring people together. sadly, you know, we're seeing it now in charleston after the horrific church shooting there. and i think what's amazing to me is ever since this has happened we have chronicled victim's responses and reactions in their lives and how it's affected them and what was lost and what was round. we heard it so much and we heard it again today. and yet it never loses its
power. you know when you hear someonened stand up there and say i can never do this again or i'll never see my daughter again. it's redundant but every time it carries such force. and i was really struck by that today again as i think everybody was. >> we also learned that the defense tried to strike a plea deal with prosecution. life in prison plus an apology letter from tsarnaev. the government rejected it. what happens now? now that we have this part of the trial over. in terms of the appeals process, tsarnaev is probably sent to a federal prison i believe in indiana. he could go to a super max. how how does it play out? >> two things. one we learned today according to the defense counsel they tried to strike a life plea with an apology. and then they came out and said that was incomplete but she wasn't going into the details.
so we don't know the end of that story. we do know this defense counsel has tried to get those kind of deals in the past. part two. what happens next? there is a mandatory federal death penalty appeal process. we air on the side of repetition and redundancy because the u.s. government doesn't want to commit the error of getting it wrong. so they have the extra controls in place. but as the prosecutor just said moments ago that is very different than the trial we just saw. and yes some people are concerned it takes so long and the closure issues but that is a lot of written, lawyer to lawyer brief, documents back and forth on the appeal. it is not a retrial on the underlying facts. >> he's sentenced to death by execution. and there is a lot of concern given where we are waiting for the supreme court to hand down a decision on the constitutionality of lethal injection. is there any idea as to with what the method of execution may
be? >> i don't think that is defined. they are talking specifics today about potentially where he would be executed. what state. >> because massachusetts does not allow the death penalty. >> so you have to do it somewhere else. but federal law governs everywhere and you can send him where you need. but those are good and open questions alex. and there is -- look the bottom line, it is grizzly to say. it is difficult to kill people under the government system. and it is difficult to do it humanely. and we've seen states as they have struggled with different experimental drugs and different approaches. that is one of the many reasons that people do criticize this. but i can tell you we know from start to finish the federal government under this administration and two successive attorney generals have been committed to getting this a capital case and seeing it through. >> interesting that supreme court case may ultimately inform a what happens. and thanks all of your for your time and you can catch ari on the cycle weekdays at 3:00 p.m.
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amazon takes down confederate flag continues to sell communist merchandise. and then there was ann colter. >> i'd really like to like nikki haley since she is a republican. on the other hand she is an immigrant and does not understand america's history. >> you think an immigrant doesn't understand the history. >> she doesn't. it never flew over a confederate building.
it was a battle flag. >> nikki haley was born in the state of south carolina. and joining us now author of "give us the ballot." and chairman steele i always give you the hard questions. >> i figured you would come to me. >> please just respond to ann coulter. >> you just did. >> i just offered the fact. >> i like ann a lot. i have no idea where she was going with that. it's crazy. i don't know how you can stand and defend this very egregious symbol of hatred and racism. i can not understand it. and yet there will be those who are going to fight for it. this is not about -- you know the flag may have had at one point in early history a noble idea of, you know the south. >> maybe. >> maybe. >> or maybe not. >> and so that's fine.
we can wax romantic about 1865 or whatever. all right? but here we are in the modern era where there is clearly a symbol that is used not to inspire the best in america but to play to the least and the worst of us. and i think that is something that the country now is coming to grips with as we have dealt with issues of racism over the last two years especially in the treatment of black men and so forth. so i think this is a common sense important step to take. and i think america is ready to take it. there are going to be those that hold on to it alex. but, you know, as the song goes "let it go let it go." >> brittany. on one hand i've been shocked at the rate this sort of movement to get rid of the confederate, sort of flag in state and public places. and for sale online.
alabama, tennessee, virginia maryland north carolina. so that in some ways can heartening. at the same time i do worry is this happening too fast? >> it is not too fast. >> i mean not that 150 years wasn't long enough. but i mean this sort of -- because the backlash is -- well it is happening and it is inevitable. >> sure. >> and sort of visit ril which you see the cresting. >> i grew up in a state where folks -- from louisiana. folks flew the flag all the time. flew in front of people's houses and used the bumper stickers and said it is heritage not hate. i considered it abjure every an injury every time i had to see it. glad it is going. the real question is not whether it is too fast but whether social policy and shifts in structure will keep pace with this indig nance and outrage on the right. so should we believe.
the magd of this injury and what this represents. and that is the place where i'm skeptical. so i don't want to discount the magnitude of removing the symbol but i want that to show up as well in the way we talk about deep structural racial inequality in this country. >> there is also the concern john this becomes -- bill crystal says this is part of the left's 21st century agenda expunging every trace of -- and contends we might get rid of -- that the sort of monuments to the war of arlington and gettysburg and ultimately the left will ban the teaching of lincoln's inaugural. >> yeah all of those are so likely. >> a long long to do list. >> there will always be people who say things like that. i don't think that what's happening is too fast. when social history happens there is a mess. there are going to be many people. many of them are going to be
quite influential and articulate who will never understand but it seems we're billing towards a more general kind of consensus and to be honest i haven't written a whole lot about the confederate flag. my feeling with all due respect, probably because i didn't grow up in a confederate state. was that there were things on the ground that were more impacting than the symbol. but if we can get rid of the flag that's great. and the people are going to say dumb things. and the main thing is that it's happening. >> and to brittany's i think bigger point a lot of us have been turning over does this lead to fixing of a sort of institution that has failed many many many people in this society? and one place where it would be good to start is maybe the voting rights act. and i know you have been reporting on this. this is the introduction of a new bill today. tell us more about that and the likelihood you think it passes in the wake of all this? >> there is a very significant
new voting rights act bill to restore the voting rights act after the shelby decision of two years which invalidated the center piece of the act. and this would restore the requirement that states with recent history of the voting discrimination have to clear their voting exchanges with the federal government. that leads to 13 states having to improve that you are voting changes. and also places like new york and california where there is more recent discrimination against ethnic groups. the second thick it would do is look at the practices that lead to disenfranchisement of minority votes. things that sometimes fly under the radar that seem race neutral that hurt minority voters. will it pass this republican congress? what do you think? it doesn't seem like it has a good chance. and you ask, are republicans
learning the learning from charleston. if they don't go beyond taking down the confederate flag and look at structural issues then we're only going to move so far as the society. >> eric kanter as one point was a pronate of making some legislative fix to the supreme court decision which effectively --. do you think there is space in the republican party to have that discussion? >> alex, there is space. the question is is there a voice? and that is going to be the test. unless the party legislatively those in the congress and senate are prepared to move -- look you don't have to like everything that senator leahy's bill does. you don't have to agree with all of it. but to sign on in principle, to say yes this is an important part of the voting fabric and the individual liberties and
rights of the country that we want to reassure or protect it is a good step in the right direction. and then we can begin the broader discussion. i quite frankly think it should apply to all 50 states so everybody is living under the same umbrella and the watchful eye that you get it right. all those things about redistricting, etc. that happens in the states that aren't covered. so this way you are protecting to make sure people aren't marginalized. people have due process and access to the voting box and the american people can trust the system. >> do you think brittany that we are at a change point on race in this country? i just feel like -- first of all we're talking about slavery, which we don't usually do as the country. we sort of laud confederate generals but we never get at what the confederacy stood for. talking about criminal justice reform. talking about police practices,
talking about economic inequality. i guess i wonder am i being poly annish when it feels like something is in the air. >> i think we have to give all credit to movement for black lives, all of these young people of color who have been in the streets particularly since august 2014 demanding this conversation. i give no credit to leaders. they are being pushed. that is the way the democratic process is supposed to work. i'm i think that's awesome. one of the things that's a tension for me is on the one hand republicans are outraged over this singular act of racism in charleston. there is a way people can grapple with the emotional things. and they can point to one racist but they are not signing on that new voting rights act thing very readily which means there is the difference in actually dealing with the structural impact of those policies. that really becomes the challenge. so i think the movement is going to have to push republicans and
all leaders to shift the policy. >> what about the american public level john? is the narrative beginning to change about who we are as a country? >> no. and i would say that -- [ laughter ] >> the finality there. >> i try to read books but i'm actually a professor of linguistics. i can fake the literature. but my point is we are at a turning point. think think that the black lives matter movement really will be something for the black history books. i think we're seeing as much statdic as we are progress. and i'm worried that i'm not sure we can ever make a critical mass of people understand structural racism the way we might like. so i tend to be interested in different approaches. because i'm not sure that we're seeing anything different. only because we can talk and we can write but it is so hard to get momentum going. we were having this conversation with trayvon martin and you notice how sadly that is
beginning to sound historical. as is mike brown. so in terms of this being a inflection point, i'm not sure. but certainly the biggest things i've seen since katrina. >> if you have hillary clinton saying we need to deal with the problem of mass incarceration, the problem that her husband helped to create. something different is changing. when i grew up there was, you know, in the 90s in louisiana there was no possibility folks were going to take down the confederate flag. >> on friday it didn't seem like that was a possibility. >> yeah. >> it's sad it took a mass shooting like this to get the flag to come down. this was so long overdue. and what we need to say now is that is an important symbol that needs to go down. but we need to get beyond the symbolism and move to substance and we need to deal with the voting rights act. we need to deal with criminal justice reform and gun control. those are the issues we have to tackle if we're going to try to solve the problem or not even solve but lessen the problem of racism. and if we just deal with the symbolism we're not going to solve the problem.
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suffered enough and they should never feel ignored or victimized by their own government. we must do better. >> the white house says the u.s. will no longer prosecute family who is pay ransoms and a central hub has been created to provide support for victim's families. this comes after a year in which several american journalists and aid workers were all killed by the so called islamic state. their kidnappings have exposed a terribly broken system. joining me is joel simon, sue la may anderson. and charlie senate. let me start with you charlie. there is an explosive. a deeply reported piece in the new yorker that came out today by lawrence wright detailing how bladly the system is broken for victim's families who seek to save the lives of their loved ones and basically one of the
main drivers was the owner of the atlantic i believe david bradley who convened the families and used his own resources to determine where the hostages were. i know that jim foley was doing some work for global post. i wonder how that jives with your experience. >> well i think everyone was doing everything they possibly could to try to get jim foley home. the frustrating thing was to watch the family going into a system that was so chaotic, so confusing and broken. i mean they were being threatened with prosecution, you know, if they actually went forward with negotiations with the islamic state or if they had paid the ransom. i mean that was just adding so much hurt to the devastating time they were going through to begin with. it was very difficult to watch. and yes, david bradley at the atlantic was amazing. i think the whole team at global post also made great efforts to try to get jim foley home. and i think all of us watched this today with great regret
recognizing that we failed and that this just came too late. this policy review was long awaited, much needed and hard not to watch it. and just think if only we had been more coordinated could we have possibly changed the outcome here. >> let me ask in terms of how this changes potential future hostage negotiations. does this make american journalists a target? the fact that someone in the united states, if not the government, then a family or families backed by other individuals will pay a ransom or can pay a ransom? does that -- >> they are already a target. >> fair enough. >> look at what's happened. if you are -- and let's be clear. i'm focused on journalists, i'm director of the committee to protect journalists but this does not just effect journalists. if you are american european in many parts of the world, you are a target already. so it really can't get any worse
and this has the potential to at least make things better for the families so address the issue that charlie mentioned, the fact that families have been threatened with prosecution for trying to secure the release their loved one. it is absolutely outrageous. unacceptable. that is certainly an improvement. >> and when you hear the story about how victim's families were treated or basically left on their own. james foley's mother found out her son has been slaughtered by an ap reporter. that obviously needs to change. i know that your father was also, he was held hostage at a different time sort of in the landscape of all of this. tell me how your family grappled with that. >> well my mother chose to keep us, me and her out of the spot
as much as possible whereas other members of the family took it to the media. my aunt had incredible access to the governments, u.s. and foreign governments. and she spearheaded this attempt to pressure the government into doing whatever it could. now that led actually to unforeseen consequences with iran contra. so it's really a tricky situation to know really what steps to take. what to do. it's kind of damned if you do damned if you don't. >> charlie in terms of news outlets. and one assumes that this in some ways could put even more pressure on them at least financially to sort of reconcile and get their guys back. i mean the door is now open to paying -- the government is not going to be paying the ransoms. well, who has the resources? it is an extraordinary burden for families to shoulder. one would assume the atlantics and the global post will sort of have to step in. >> well i think news
organizations have always held to a policy. the bbc being sort of the standard bearer on this that they will never pay ransom for someone whose been taken and i think it's important for news organizations to come one their own policies but i this i collectively we have to stand strong. we have to take the murder of jim foley and so many other colleagues we've seen taken hostage and killed. we have to use this as a moment to change how we do what we do in the field. i've been a foreign correspondent and covered iraq and afghanistan and been in dangerous places. butperil is rising. the risks are becoming untenable. so what we've all done and david rode who was held captive by the taliban until he escaped. many other news organizations, a.p. and others have all come togetheren around these murders and this terrible situation and come up with new protocols and
safety standards for journalists in the field. and we're going to stick to them and really try to make sure we are much better at risk assessment and much better at training journalists who are going to be out in the field and avoiding risks. it is just not smart to be b covering syria on the ground. we wish we were there. it is terrible to see such a tragedy unfolding and not be on the ground but we have to be realistic. and dieane foley said america can do better. right in the middle of learning her son had been build can policies have fallen apart. president obama recognized that today and said we need to do better. i think the key is going to be holding the government accountable on everything that's promised. and i know the foleys and the jim foley legacy foundation are going to play a really key role in that. that is whether we need to watch going forward, holding the government to the fire on these very important changes. >> this of course is not the end of journalists. there are plenty of journalists
who still face great risk. who are being held. give us a sense of the landscape as far as journalists out there who may be have been taken hostage or in otherwise dangerous conditions. >> let's think of the international journalist community and get out of the framework of talking with u.s. correspondents. but when we think about the international news gathering environment you have to start with the local reporters who are feeding this global information to all of us. and in you look at the data this cpj keeps of the journalists kills, this is the most deadly and dangerous time ever. more journalists killed, more journalists in prison. there are attacks around the world. journalists are more vulnerable. many of the front line news gatherer, the people we see being taken hostage in syria are freelancers. they are the ones on the front line. more vulnerable. less institutional support. and that's why when charlie was talking a about this new coalition coming together to
support the work of freelancers is so important in this current environment. >> it's also aide workers. people who want to go over and make a difference. and you knew peter kassig. tell us more about why he went over there. >> he was just an idealist. he wanted to help the syrian people. and he felt a calling to do. something you don't really find in this day and age anymore. this age of cynicism. this absolute drive to help people with no agenda behind it. >> i would just jump in to say that is so well put and so important. and knowing jim foley i just ow would say there is a great bond there. that they shared that. jim foley also was an idealist. his parents constantly talk that. he too had a calling.
they use that word all the time. to cover the people caught up in word and report on issues of social justice. he was very motivated by his faith and idealism as well. and i think there is so much of a bond between anyone whose taking the risks to be out there and confronting the peril of a group like isis. >> idealists and most certainly humanists all of them. always good to see you guys. thanks for your time. coming up. bobby jindal. is he lucky number 13? bobby jindal sure thinks so ♪ mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys ♪ ♪ don't let'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks ♪ boys? ♪ mamas, don't let your babies...♪ stop less. go more. the passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. hurry in and you can get 0% apr plus a one-thousand dollar volkswagen credit bonus on 2015 passat tdi clean diesel models.
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orleans. according to one republican political consultant in his own home state, i don't think anybody in louisiana thinks he can win. it is a real real long shot. then again donald trump is in second place in new hampshire right behind jeb bush. chairman steele does bobby jindal stand a chance? >> yeah, you know, i think this is one of those playing fields where everyone gets to come on the field and play. and i think that bobby jindal who has a record as governor of louisiana, two terms. yes he gave the state of the union response. he's got national and more importantly political identification within the gop. so yeah i think he can come on. and he's got a message. it is a little bit more conservative and edgy in some
spaces than some of the other candidates which will create that separation for him. i expect the governor to come out and shoot for the polls, the fences like everyone else. >> for the stars. >> yeah why not. >> you are a former rnc chair. and you have been trying your hardest to whittle this field to contenders, would you be encouraging someone polling at .8%. >> that's the thing. you can't stop from running. >> apparently not. >> or any office. but this is the battle tested position that most chairman find yourselves in. you would love a small field that you could pretty much control and maneuver. but this is not that race. and substantively these candidates are bringing a lot to the table.
unlike what we saw in the last cycle. you want that full throat eded look at who the republicans are. and you want to more substantively have to deal with what kind of conservatives we are. >> there is a lot of talk about how the next nominee is going to be a governor. they live where the rubber meets the road. they have practical records that are appealing to americans. there are two governors in this race. chris christie will likely be in the race and scott walker. and both have significant home state troubles. scott walker there is a head line today, set for a bigger stage. walker faces republican revolt in wisconsin. and chris christie is polling at 0% 30% in his home state. how much do you think those are weights on them? >> they are a little bit. they are small weights right
now. you sort of take that into consideration as you do your rollout and you address some of that maybe in your announcement speech. or then again maybe not. you will save it for a one-on-one interview or whatever. >> you don't think republicans are going to look at their record and ability to convene the party in their own state? the republicans are going to have a lot of people to choose from. >> it may be. but again, remember scott walker galvanized the imagination of the party in taking on the unions in his state. and that has a lot of cache and resonance. chris christie has that brashness, let's push back against the media, push back against the status quo. they are going to play that up while others probably their fellow opponents play up as well the fact that, you know in the state of new jersey you have had
to refinance or been graded down a little bit. >> nine times. >> and the problems you see in wisconsin. >> that is part of the game. >> it is going to be an exciting fall and spring and summer and all the rest. that is it for now. the "ed show" is up next. >> good evening americaning, and welcome to the "ed show." live from new york. let's get to work. >> tonight, elephant stampede. >> republican race already has 12 candidates. >> jindal makes it 13. >> probably won't be the last. >> chris christie could announce as early as next week. >> focused on sending another good jobs bill to the president and that is trade promotion authority. >> legacy he was so happy yesterday he actually embraced joe biden. >> and later, defender of confederacy. >> it's very easy to beat up on dead confederates. southe